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	<title>Comments on: PodCamp?  No, thanks.  Weekends Are For Hobbies.</title>
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	<description>...because that's who I am.</description>
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		<title>By: EGC Clambake for March 1, 2007 - &#8220;Freestyling with the Soul of Money&#8221; : Evil Genius Chronicles</title>
		<link>http://www.davethenerd.com/davehamilton/podcasting/2007/02/20/podcamp-no-thanks-weekends-are-for-hobbies/#comment-8842</link>
		<dc:creator>EGC Clambake for March 1, 2007 - &#8220;Freestyling with the Soul of Money&#8221; : Evil Genius Chronicles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 04:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dave Hamilton on PME during weekends [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Sherlock</title>
		<link>http://www.davethenerd.com/davehamilton/podcasting/2007/02/20/podcamp-no-thanks-weekends-are-for-hobbies/#comment-8759</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Sherlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, respectfully, if "they are not reading this", we do not need to convince them of anything. We need to focus our attention on those who are reading, listening and creating... They are the only ones who matter.

I elalborate more on this audiance theme here if anyone cares to follow it.

http://steves2cents.blogspot.com/2006/10/fire-circle-story.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, respectfully, if &#8220;they are not reading this&#8221;, we do not need to convince them of anything. We need to focus our attention on those who are reading, listening and creating&#8230; They are the only ones who matter.</p>
<p>I elalborate more on this audiance theme here if anyone cares to follow it.</p>
<p><a href="http://steves2cents.blogspot.com/2006/10/fire-circle-story.html" rel="nofollow">http://steves2cents.blogspot.com/2006/10/fire-circle-story.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Respectfully, Mark and Jay are also missing the point of my post (perhaps the follow-up today helps clarify?).  I agree that this is all serious stuff.  It's not me you need to convince of that.  It's all the people that *aren't* reading this (or any) blog that *we* need to convince.  And one step towards doing that is organizing (some) things on *their* schedule.  That's all I'm saying.  Otherwise it will take forever to get their attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respectfully, Mark and Jay are also missing the point of my post (perhaps the follow-up today helps clarify?).  I agree that this is all serious stuff.  It&#8217;s not me you need to convince of that.  It&#8217;s all the people that *aren&#8217;t* reading this (or any) blog that *we* need to convince.  And one step towards doing that is organizing (some) things on *their* schedule.  That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m saying.  Otherwise it will take forever to get their attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay... I was going to make the same point!  Car shows are also typically held on weekends.

On a tangent, this got me thinking about the arts and sports industries.  Does the fact that rock concerts, orchestra and theatre performances, and major sporting events take place on evenings and weekends make them hobbies and diminish them as businesses?

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay&#8230; I was going to make the same point!  Car shows are also typically held on weekends.</p>
<p>On a tangent, this got me thinking about the arts and sports industries.  Does the fact that rock concerts, orchestra and theatre performances, and major sporting events take place on evenings and weekends make them hobbies and diminish them as businesses?</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Moonah from Uncle Seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Moonah from Uncle Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I just wanted to say that I find it a little funny to say that holding a big event over a weekend somehow implies that it isn't serious because I come at podcasting at least in part from the music and radio world.  Tell someone in the music or broadcast biz that MIDEM, NAB, South by Southwest or Canadian Music Week (to name a few) aren't serious 'cus they extend over weekends and they will laugh.  This goes to what Jeff P said as well, it all depends on your paradigm.

Thanks,
Jay Moonah
PodCamp Toronto Co-organizer
member of Podsafe band Uncle Seth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I just wanted to say that I find it a little funny to say that holding a big event over a weekend somehow implies that it isn&#8217;t serious because I come at podcasting at least in part from the music and radio world.  Tell someone in the music or broadcast biz that MIDEM, NAB, South by Southwest or Canadian Music Week (to name a few) aren&#8217;t serious &#8216;cus they extend over weekends and they will laugh.  This goes to what Jeff P said as well, it all depends on your paradigm.</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Jay Moonah<br />
PodCamp Toronto Co-organizer<br />
member of Podsafe band Uncle Seth</p>
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		<title>By: factoring</title>
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		<dc:creator>factoring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point, but isn't podcasting a nascent industry? Most nascent industries are pioneered by individuals who have jobs (at first) and do the tinkering in their spare time.

To make matters more interesting, podcasting is one of those things that can be done effectively by big business and by individuals as a hobby (and all in between). And it is - regularly. It can be big business. It can be a hobby. It can be both.

I don't think it is wrong to keep the dual perception (hobby and business) because it is accurate. It depends on who is doing the podcasting.

Now - should you have events that address them jointly? separately? I don't know since I am not a new media type. I'm just a finance guy :-)

--Marco</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point, but isn&#8217;t podcasting a nascent industry? Most nascent industries are pioneered by individuals who have jobs (at first) and do the tinkering in their spare time.</p>
<p>To make matters more interesting, podcasting is one of those things that can be done effectively by big business and by individuals as a hobby (and all in between). And it is - regularly. It can be big business. It can be a hobby. It can be both.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it is wrong to keep the dual perception (hobby and business) because it is accurate. It depends on who is doing the podcasting.</p>
<p>Now - should you have events that address them jointly? separately? I don&#8217;t know since I am not a new media type. I&#8217;m just a finance guy <img src='http://www.davethenerd.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8211;Marco</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Hamilton / Dave The Nerd &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Passionate Podcasters Protect PodCamp (but miss my point)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Hamilton / Dave The Nerd &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Passionate Podcasters Protect PodCamp (but miss my point)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post about weekend scheduling of Podcasting Industry events elicited quite a flurry of comments (both on the blog and off), and it&#8217;s good that people are [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Pulver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Pulver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

I have to wonder how much experience you have in attenting trade shows in the world of communications? Did you know that most of the CableTV industry grew up in the United States by hosting their events and their core meetings over the weekend? Sure, this year the National Cable Show is taking place on a Mon-Wed but all of the important meetings take place over the weekend.
The CES is famous for holding court over the weekend. Same can be said about the annual PTC events in Honolulu. To be totally dismissive about an industry sector soley based on the timing of a meeting means you are missing out on the real opportunity presented.

And to Whitney's point - I'm happy to co-host a Summer PodCamp that takes place during the week and see where we go from there. It would be "Summer Camp" for those so inclined for some fun. But that's what I thought some look at Burning Man for. Burning Man Long Island would never be as much fun...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>I have to wonder how much experience you have in attenting trade shows in the world of communications? Did you know that most of the CableTV industry grew up in the United States by hosting their events and their core meetings over the weekend? Sure, this year the National Cable Show is taking place on a Mon-Wed but all of the important meetings take place over the weekend.<br />
The CES is famous for holding court over the weekend. Same can be said about the annual PTC events in Honolulu. To be totally dismissive about an industry sector soley based on the timing of a meeting means you are missing out on the real opportunity presented.</p>
<p>And to Whitney&#8217;s point - I&#8217;m happy to co-host a Summer PodCamp that takes place during the week and see where we go from there. It would be &#8220;Summer Camp&#8221; for those so inclined for some fun. But that&#8217;s what I thought some look at Burning Man for. Burning Man Long Island would never be as much fun&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Whitney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whitney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And perhaps, with time, Podcamp will evolve into "Podcamp"- a week long summer time event, just like summer camp, where we geek out all day and sing camp fire songs at night.  (perhaps it shows I'm trying to plan the children's summer camps at the moment).

Reality is that unconferences don't charge and are organized by volunteers.  This is grassroots, this is a passion over profit enterprise.  

And I, too, am on my way to Toronto for my second Podcamp, and I would move heaven and Earth to attend, because it's THAT important.  I've scheduled the time we spend for the kids' spring break around hitting NYC April 6 &#38; 7 for Podcamp NYC and have helped organize it from a distance.  Why?  because if you are serious about podcasting and new media, you have to get to know your peers.  We all sit in these little rooms with our computers and mics,but if this is social media, people, we need to actually get to know others, what they're doing differently and share.

Or we can continue to treat our podcasting like a hobby, like that novel that sits in the drawer, and never take the risks necessary to expand our horizons and make our podcasting a priority.
It may have a name that sounds like a geeks &#38; freaks convention, but there is not a more serious or worthwhile conference you can attend.  And the price is right.
Who knows?  Maybe more podcast and social media conferences will proliferate- and they certainly will cost more to attend.  

But Dave, while I agree making it like a 'regular conference' might get some different people to attend, I think giving up weekend time to pursue your passions is identical whether you work in a woodshop, knit, or paint on weekends.  If it matters enough to you, you'll make it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And perhaps, with time, Podcamp will evolve into &#8220;Podcamp&#8221;- a week long summer time event, just like summer camp, where we geek out all day and sing camp fire songs at night.  (perhaps it shows I&#8217;m trying to plan the children&#8217;s summer camps at the moment).</p>
<p>Reality is that unconferences don&#8217;t charge and are organized by volunteers.  This is grassroots, this is a passion over profit enterprise.  </p>
<p>And I, too, am on my way to Toronto for my second Podcamp, and I would move heaven and Earth to attend, because it&#8217;s THAT important.  I&#8217;ve scheduled the time we spend for the kids&#8217; spring break around hitting NYC April 6 &amp; 7 for Podcamp NYC and have helped organize it from a distance.  Why?  because if you are serious about podcasting and new media, you have to get to know your peers.  We all sit in these little rooms with our computers and mics,but if this is social media, people, we need to actually get to know others, what they&#8217;re doing differently and share.</p>
<p>Or we can continue to treat our podcasting like a hobby, like that novel that sits in the drawer, and never take the risks necessary to expand our horizons and make our podcasting a priority.<br />
It may have a name that sounds like a geeks &amp; freaks convention, but there is not a more serious or worthwhile conference you can attend.  And the price is right.<br />
Who knows?  Maybe more podcast and social media conferences will proliferate- and they certainly will cost more to attend.  </p>
<p>But Dave, while I agree making it like a &#8216;regular conference&#8217; might get some different people to attend, I think giving up weekend time to pursue your passions is identical whether you work in a woodshop, knit, or paint on weekends.  If it matters enough to you, you&#8217;ll make it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave LaMorte, Teaching for the Future Podcast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave LaMorte, Teaching for the Future Podcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 05:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could always run a PodCamp during the week.  I bet there are other people who value their weekends and think that they could get time off during the week to go to a PodCamp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could always run a PodCamp during the week.  I bet there are other people who value their weekends and think that they could get time off during the week to go to a PodCamp.</p>
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